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from relative obscurity to declare victory in a mayoral race dominated for months by former governor andrew cuomo. what zohran mamdani story could tell us about a democratic party looking for a way to win again? we've got lots to get to, but we begin with president trump forcefully defending his strikes on iran, pushing back against a preliminary new intel assessment that says u.s. strikes didn't end iran's nuclear program, but instead set it back 3 to 6 months. telling the intel community to wait until you have an answer, while simultaneously suggesting he already does. >> it was very, very successful. it was called obliteration. it was so devastating. actually, if you look at hiroshima, if you look at nagasaki, you know that ended a war too. this ended a war in a different way. we destroyed the nuclear. in other words, it's destroyed. >> what is your message, then, sir? to the intelligence

community. when they present reports. you're not disputing the dia report. you're just. >> they presented a report that wasn't finished. >> the president also said he did not believe iran had a chance to get anything out. but sources tell nbc the initial intelligence reporting does not indicate all of iran's enriched uranium was destroyed. and this morning, iran's parliament voted to suspend cooperation with the international atomic energy agency. joining us now, peter baker, new york times chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst. ned price, former senior state department and cia official and retired u.s. army colonel jack jacobs and msnbc military analyst, is with me here in studio, peter. look, the president said the report should never have been released. he attacked media reports while not saying, we just heard this from kelly. he didn't say they misrepresented this early report, but suggested it was leaked by someone with an agenda against him and his white house.

is the white house at all shaken by this report, concerned that it contradicts trump's contention that he ended a decades long conflict in just days? >> yeah. they're certainly angry about it, no question about it. they're pushing back. >> they obviously got the. >> israelis to weigh in as well. the prime minister netanyahu, issued his own statement, basically concurring with trump's assessment about the damage. and, you know, this is this goes back a long. way in terms of trump's relationship with. the intelligence community of the united states. he doesn't trust it. he has long said, basically, that he knows better than they do on all sorts of matters. most prominently, of course, russia's interference in the 2016 election, which he basically dismissed and said he believed vladimir putin's denial. so, you know, he looks at this report and thinks somebody's out there to get hime conspiracy against him. that's how he views these things. remember, they look at intelligence not as a source of information for them to make policy decisions on, but as

something to validate politicians they've already made. for instance, earlier this year when he declared that he could expel venezuelan immigrants from this country on the basis that the venezuelan effect was at war with the united states, at least the gangs, the intelligence community came back with a report saying, no, that's not the case. they're not at war here. there's not an invasion here. they tried to get the intelligence community to alter that report to suit the policy decisions that the president had already made. so that's how the president looks at intelligence at this point. >> so, ned, is there a danger when the president or any president on the world stage raises doubts about his own intelligence? >> of course there is, chris. and as peter was alluding to, this is not a new phenomenon with this trump administration. we saw it very clearly in the first trump term, perhaps most notoriously, when president trump was standing next to vladimir putin and sided with vladimir putin over the u.s. intelligence community. and we're now seeing it here. but what we've heard from president trump is really a fundamental misunderstanding, or perhaps a

willful misrepresentation of what the intelligence community does and is supposed to do. to suggest that this was a preliminary report, it never should have been sent forward. it never should have made its way to the white house, is misunderstands the fact that the intelligence community engages in an iterative process. when the intelligence community receives new information that is relevant to policy and preliminary battle damage assessment, that fordow may not have been completely destroyed, it's certainly relevant to policy. the onus is on them, the obligation is on them, and the responsibility is on them to send that forward. if the intelligence community waited until they had full 100% certainty before writing something on paper and sending it to the president, the president would essentially never receive any written product or any product from the intelligence community, because it is extraordinarily rare that the intelligence community will say with certainty or even near

certainty, anything and certainly nothing on the scale of this magnitude. what they're trying to do is to present the president with options to give him and his team optionality to inform their next steps, including the next meetings with the iranians. and what the president is doing is telling them, i don't need to hear from you. i'm going to trust my gut over the intelligence community. and that's a very dangerous thing. it's a dangerous thing for the intelligence community. it's a dangerous thing for us as well. >> well, i think, jack, i mean, correct me if you disagree, but there's two ways to inform next steps, right? there's messaging what you say publicly that may help your position. and there is the reality that helps you understand what the other side may do. so in terms of relevant policy, how do you think iran will will look at this? and how do you think israel will look at this? >> well. iran knows where its fissile material is. don't forget that we gave them plenty of heads up that we were going to attack. they assumed for

years that we. >> were going to attack. >> they knew where the stuff was. it's only about 1,000 pounds of fissile material, so it could be just about anywhere. so some of it's still out there, even if all of fordow was destroyed. which it wasn't. it's hard to believe that those even the weapons that. >> we had. >> to get all the way down to the. galleries where the material was located, if you're convinced that all of the material was not obliterated, that the iranians still have the capability and the desire to produce nuclear weapons, you're going to act in certain ways, and gathering intelligence information is going to be one of the ways you're going to do it. the united states intelligence apparatus and the israeli intelligence apparatus, if they don't already know where some of this stuff is, they're working really, really hard to find out where the majority of it is. the second thing to keep in mind is that this attack, more than destroying fordo or dispersing nuclear material, sent a message to iran and

israel. this was important to israel. send a message to iran that the united states is willing to do just about anything to protect israel, and that includes doing something with which everybody else might perceive to be reckless. the united states is going to do it anyway. >> so let me bring in nbc's garrett haake, who is reporting from the netherlands. you heard everything the president had to say. so within that context, what do we think this might mean for negotiations with iran? >> well, chris, according to the president, there aren't going to be any. i mean, this was an interesting moment in this. >> news. >> conference where he basically sidestepped this very thorny issue of how do you go from a cease fire to a negotiated settlement, a peace deal, some kind of discussion about what becomes of the iranian nuclear program from the president's perspective at this moment, his interaction with iran seems to be basically over. listen to the way he described it. >> the way i look at it, they fought. the war is done. and, you know, i could get a

statement that they're not going to go nuclear. we're probably going to ask for that, but they're not going to be doing it, but they're not going to be doing it anyway. they've had it. they've had it now, maybe someday in the future we'll want that. but i've asked marco, do you want to try? i just asked him the question as we were walking on the stage. do you want to draw up a little agreement for them to sign? because i think we can get them to sign it. i don't think it's necessary. >> chris. from the white house perspective, they spent 60 some odd days trying to negotiate with iran on the nuclear program. they feel like they got nowhere. and the president is basically hanging his future policy on that assumption that he makes there that iran is done with trying to enrich uranium. done with trying to build a nuclear program of any kind. because, as he said earlier today, they went through hell and they're done and over it. we'll see. >> they've had it. garrett hague, thank you so much for your reporting there. so, ned, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee, was on this network just this morning.

he has a different view of this warning what he thinks iran might do. here it is. >> put yourself. >> in. >> the shoes. >> of an iranian leader. >> right. >> do you launch a terrorist. >> attack in london. and in new york? >> know you'll get you'll get brutalized. what you do is you behave like a boy scout. you go very quiet. you abide by the cease fire. and if you if you've set yourself up to do it, you develop a nuclear weapon. that's really my fear right now. >> where do you put the likelihood of that scenario versus, say, they've had it? >> well, look, chris, i think it's hard to ascribe any sort of percentage to the to the possibility that iran pursues one course or the other. but i think the congressman is right in the sense that it is a distinct possibility that iran now sprints toward some sort of nuclear device. and i think the real concern is not that they're going to sprint towards a fully

sophisticatelear weapon. what we would havhe years preceding this. but now they have every incentive to try to gain leverage with even a potentially crude nuclear device, something that, depending on the scale of the destruction and depending on the disposition of the enriched uranium and the centrifuges, they may be able to do in relatively short order. and that's a concern with all of this. and that was the concern that so many of us had, that the president was resorting to force before diplomacy had run its course. what we have now is not a permanent and verifiable solution to the iranian nuclear challenge. it's not verifiable in the sense that because it was done at the barrel of a gun and not with diplomacy, we don't have international weapons inspectors on the ground. iran may withdraw itself from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. and it's not permanent in the sense that iran, as the congressman alluded to and as i said, may well be incentivized to try to sprint towards whatever they can muster. and even if it's not what they would

have mustered six months ago, a year ago, it could still be something that israel, the united states, would not want to see. and that's precisely why there does have to be a diplomatic agreement with iran going forward. there can't just be an empty meeting, despite what we heard from the president this morning. >> so, peter, what is a clearer win for trump? is nato allies today agreeing to increase their defense spending right from around about 2% to 5%, giving him something he has wanted for a very long time. and the secretary general actually referred to him in this way when talking about iran and israel. >> they've had a big fight, like two kids in a schoolyard. you know, they fight like hell. you can't stop them. let them fight for about 2 or 3 minutes. then it's easy to stop them. >> and then he has to sometimes do strong language to get. >> strong language. >> so you have to use a certain word. >> daddy uses strong language, whether it's that peter or handing over the cash. can trump

leave this meeting legitimately arguing i have nato where i want them? >> well, he is going to argue that, no question about it, he will take credit for the goal of a 5% spending on military. but keep in mind that it's, you know, it's a little less than that underneath the surface. for one thing, the language of the agreement suggests that allies, not necessarily all allies, will meet that 5% goal that's already been interpreted by spain, for instance, to say, well, i'm not going to do this. we're not going to go to 5%. and secondly, that goal is for 2035, not next year, 2035, long after trump presumably will be not in office. so i don't think a lot of these allies are necessarily all that, you know, concerned about making it to 5% anytime soon. it's also worth, remember, the united states isn't 5%, but, you know, look, it's a much friendlier summit for the president than he has had in the past with nato. they are, in fact, all trying to make nice for the most part, with the exception of spain's objection to this. they are, in fact, praising him for the iran

strike, and he is in fact recommitted to article five, which says that the united states will, you know, consider an attack against any member to be an attack on itself as well, something even just earlier this week, he threw into doubt. remember, this is just a year ago. the president said he would say to russia, do whatever the hell you want. that's his phrase. with any nato ally that didn't spend as much as he thought they ought to spend on their defense. so his undermining of the commitment of article five has been a consistent theme of his going back years. for today, at least, he's saying he's committed to it. and that's enough, i think, to get people through the summit. and without the kind of blow up they were afraid of. >> yeah, i think that absolutely. as always, peter is right, colonel, that he's gone back and forth from it depends on your definition to earlier today. he says he stands with it. but i want to play something longer that he said about article five. >> as far as article five. look, when i came here. i came here because it was something i'm supposed to be doing, but i left

here a little bit different, differently, i said. i watched the heads of these countries get up, and the love and the passion that they showed for their country was unbelievable. i've never seen anything like it. the they want to protect their country and they need the united states. and without the united states, it's not going to be the same. >> so if you're talking about an armed attack against one member of nato is an attack against all and how the us will respond to it, do you think that there is clarity for other nato allies? >> no, because he's so inconsistent, i don't think, and most people don't think that our allies and even nonaligned countries who are concerned about national security affairs and not just in europe either in the western pacific as well, think that they can rely on an american government led by donald trump because he changes

his mind publicly all the time. if you say that you're an isolationist one week and then shortly thereafter say you're committed to article five, that plants and people who are more clearly articulate about what their what what their nation's objectives, national strategic objectives are, it doesn't convince them. and which is why countries like japan were talking about rearming, developing nuclear weapons, why countries we are aligned with want to have nuclear weapons because they're concerned about the american commitment to come to their defense in the event that they're attacked by anybody, not just russia. you've got to be consistent. consistency and predictability is what makes for peace. and when you're inconsistent, it invariably turns to conflict and violence. >> colonel jack jacobs, ned price, thank you. peter baker, you're going to stay with me in 90s how social media have helped

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win the democratic primary over former governor andrew cuomo, who conceded last night mamdani didn't have name recognition, he didn't have major endorsements or super pac money, but he did lead a relentless, digital heavy campaign using platforms like instagram and tiktok to generate buzz and grassroots energy. >> my name is laura mamdani, and i'm running for mayor of new york city. our campaign has just been endorsed by leaders we deserve. we're really excited to support the campaign here to help make new york city affordable. i'm about to say something to you. you've never heard a politician say, please stop sending us money. we have just begun our walk through the entirety of manhattan because new yorkers deserve a mayor that they can see, they can hear, they can even yell at you. >> joining me now is nbc's sahil kapur on the hill. amanda lippman is co-founder and president of run for something and a former adviser to the clinton campaign, as well as author of when we're in charge the next generation's guide to leadership. so amanda should and

realistically, could this change the way future campaigns will operate? >> i think it both should. >> and. >> could and will. i think campaign modeled a new way of showing up for elected leaders and for candidates. being authentic, genuine, values driven. it's not just style, it's also substance. he knew who he is. he knows who he is and he knows what he needs to communicate. and he was everywhere. he was online. he was in real life. he had volunteers knocking more than 1.5 million doors across the city. he was omnipresent. he made it hard for people to ignore. his message was clear. it is a model for campaigns everywhere. >> you know, it was interesting. some of us were remembering that when aoc staged an upset, she actually, after the campaign, showed her shoes, which were worn through on the bottom. it's that it's just so fascinating to me because you have this combination of old school, right? which is gladhanding and knocking on doors and going out

and meeting the people. but this new social media thing and, and talking to people where they live. so for him, that was new york's affordability crisis. is there something in that messaging, even though it's very new york centric, that can work on a national level? >> no. zoran did something so smart, which is he made it about why voters should want him to win, not why he wants to win. i think that's a sign of a good leader. it's about the people you're leading, not about yourself. he put ego aside. he made it about our cost of living, our childcare, our public transit, and how if he wins, he's going to make it better for us. every candidate could take their cues from him and how to make it personal, and how to make it about the voter, not the leader themselves. >> so sawhill, on the other side of this, immediately, questions have been raised about whether or not he's just going to be an effective target for the gop. way too liberal socialist. what's been the reaction you're hearing from republicans?

>> yeah, chris, i think time will tell the answer to that question. but republicans are certainly eager in this moment to tie zoran mamdani to national democrats. take a look at this quick statement from the house republican campaign arm, quote, the new face of the democrat party just dropped, and it's straight out of a socialist nightmare, unquote. but there is a larger story at play here, and it's a story for democrats. it's not one about ideology or diversity or i would say, even age. democratic voters are eager for new blood. i think that's the message coming out of new york city. they're tired of this, this brand of overly scripted focus group. that poll tested politicians. we've seen surveys show that the party establishment is also discrediting itself with voters, which is the type of environment that allows someone like zoran mamdani to rise. take a look at some recent polls. one from. reuters recently says ask the question are democrats unsatisfied with current leadership by a 49 to 41% margin? the voters said yes. democrats said they're unsatisfied with their leaders. also in that poll, should democratic party leaders be replaced by a whopping margin of

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>> yeah, amanda, it's an interesting point, though, that sahil just makes about the difference between moderate versus progressive. and there is a concern by some democrats, including some who are not fans of cuomo, that this result will be overread, that kamala harris, for example, was seen as too liberal for middle america, that while amanda may may appeal to new york city, that is not where a wide swath of america is. do democrats need to be careful about overreading this result? >> i think being careful has gotten us into this mess in the first place. we need to embrace new kinds of candidates, new kinds of leaders who can talk about the problems that americans are really experiencing, things like the cost of housing, cost of childcare, cost of groceries. the affordability crisis is in every state and every kind of community. not every candidate is going to be able to talk about the issues in the same way that zoran mamdani was, because most candidates are not running for mayor of new york city, but all of them can connect back to people's lives and can do it in

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>> so we have been keeping a very close eye on a hearing involving president trump's former defense attorney and senior doj official, emil bove. he's on capitol hill with some tough questions being thrown at him from senators at that confirmation hearing for a lifetime appointment on a federal appeals court. that hearing comes after a whistleblower report accused bove of openly talking about violating court orders if they interfered with the president's deportation plans. >> i have. >> never advised. >> a. >> department of. >> justice attorney. >> to violate a court order. i did not advise any justice department attorney to violate court orders. the deputy attorney general, as you made clear in your opening remarks, chairman, has confirmed that the

account in that whistleblower complaint is not accurate. >> joining me now is nbc's melanie zanona on the hill and new york times chief white house correspondent and msnbc political analyst peter baker. melanie, i know we had cory booker. i think katie britt is up now. tell us about the hearing. >> yeah, this is already. >> shaping. >> up to be a pretty. contentious hearing. >> and it is the first judicial. hearing of trump's second administration. as you mentioned, former criminal defense. attorney for trump. he's also viewed as someone who could one day be a potential supreme court pick for donald trump. so the stakes are really high here. and his nomination has come under very intense scrutiny in the wake of that damning whistleblower report. where a former doj employee alleges that bovay suggested ignoring court orders in order to support trump's agenda. when it comes to key things like immigration. so that already is going to take center stage in the hearing as we're seeing it play out. democrats accusing him

of being unfit to serve. but both he and his opening statements, seeking to rebut some of those characterizations. take a listen. >> i am someone. who tries to stand up for what i believe is right. i'm not afraid to make difficult decisions. i understand that some of those decisions have generated controversy. there is a wildly inaccurate caricature of me in the mainstream media. i am not anybody's henchman. i'm not an enforcer. i'm a lawyer from a small town who never expected to be in an arena like this. >> and among. >> those controversial decisions that he referenced include the decision to drop the corruption case against new york city mayor eric adams. bovay was really at the forefront of that decision. the doj, of course, also has

been at the center of many of the controversial immigration and deportation efforts of the trump administration. so just no shortage of topics for democrats to grill him about. >> yeah. peter, among those bovey's involvement in dismissing the case against mayor eric adams, he said the reason for the dismissal was because of concerns it would interfere with the mayoral election. so here's how minnesota democratic senator amy klobuchar responded to that. >> is it your position. >> that that's. >> the reason that. >> you shouldn't be able to ever prosecute any elected officials, regardless of party, because it might interfere with their campaigning if they commit murder, if they are committing a major white collar crime, if they are taking bribes. >> that. >> the reason is that they're campaigning because they're always campaigning, mr. bové. so i was just stunned by that answer. >> i'm sorry. i didn't mean to be stunning, senator. >> so my question for you,

peter, is there's a lot of always in hearings, a certain amount of performative ness. does anyone think there's a decent chance that emil bové might not be confirmed? >> well, we haven't seen that yet. senator grassley, the senior republican, for instance, said he was troubled by the whistleblower report, didn't he seemed to undermine the credibility of that. that's a pretty key sign at this point about whether the party will stick together. but remember, of course, you don't have to have that many republicans express concern in order to pull the plug on something like this. with only 53 member majority. if the four republicans say, i'm not comfortable with this, that's enough to sink the nomination. assuming all democrats stand against him, it's not 100% certain with senator fetterman. sometimes he goes his own way. but that happened when the president wanted to put a highly partizan ally of his as u.s. attorney in the district of columbia. it's

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coleman and msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. lisa, walk us through what we know about the hearing today. >> well, first of all, as you noted, we know that congresswoman mciver pled not guilty. that's not a surprise, both because most criminal defendants plead not guilty, but also because she has been steadfast in maintaining that she is not guilty of the crimes of which she has been accused. but chris, the other important thing that happened today is the trial date was set. we have a trial date of november 10th. that's notable because for a couple of reasons. one, this is not a document intensive case. this is a case where a lot will turn on the video evidence that's shown to the jury, but not the kind of case where we're talking about reams or gigabytes of electronic evidence or documents. it could have been tried perhaps a little bit sooner. at the same time, november 10th will strike some of our viewers as relatively soon enough. and i know that congresswoman mciver is eager to get to court sooner rather than later. >> it's not every day we see a member of congress charged with some sort of physical violence.

but as lisa notes, it's there on videotape. does the videotape tell us that the government has a strong case? >> a strong. >> case is relative. and what i mean by that is ultimately a case like this is coming down to a simple assault. i mean, i think that there are some other factors, obviously, that have been charged and alleged in terms of the notion that she attempted to try and stop police from affecting the arrest of ras baraka. but ultimately, chris, this is not going anywhere. and yes, the video evidence sort of speaks for itself, but it also belies the notion that the congresswoman had a right to be there, that that that these are people who were supposed to be able to be in this space and ultimately were prohibited from being so. and so these things, while we're watching it from a legal standpoint, from a political standpoint, it's more political theater than it is sort of a legal question. and that's exactly how i expect things to play out. >> and this does not seem, again, to your point, lisa, and having heard from congressman,

the congresswoman like something she would settle. there's not going to be a plea deal here. so without those reams of documents, is it going to be let's put up the video, play one second and stop. play another second and stop. how do you see this unfolding in terms of the prosecution case? >> well, first of all, yes, i think that the jury will be shown stills from the video. but let's pause on the word video because there are videos, plural. and one of the things i expect will be an issue of dispute is how many of these videos can be admitted, because depending on the angle at which you see what transpired in front of delaney hall, events look very different. some of the footage that we've seen from the department of homeland security is taken from the vantage point of body worn cameras from officers. there is other video that shows other angles here, and i expect that the jury will see multiple videos at the trial if there ever is one. and i say if there ever is one for a couple of reasons. right now, the interim united states attorney for the district of new jersey is alina habba, who was

formerly a counselor to the president, but that's an interim position that expires sometime this summer. she's not expected to be nominated to that post by president trump for the permanent position. we could have a very different u.s. attorney in place by november when this case is projected to be tried, chris. >> but that hasn't stopped the campaign from accountability for filing a complaint this week against her because, they allege habba has acted improperly since she became the interim prosecutor, citing her actions in the case, along with comments about turning new jersey red and announcing investigations into democratic governor and attorney general over immigration. could that play into this somehow? >> not necessarily dir it's inte for me, i'm going to take what lisa said a step further. this is not somett i really foresee going to trial at all. however, these issues that alina habba is now confronted with, not only from ras baraka but now for this new lawsuit, they're not going anywhere. and i'm not necessarily suggesting that

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in just a few years from my retirement from nasa. so things are changing very quickly in space. >> yeah. >> they sure are. so she is the commander of this mission. >> with axiom. >> but she's talking about. >> the privatization. >> of. >> space, right. so axiom building. >> a. >> space station, the first module as soon as. >> 2026. >> and then they. >> will build it out, make it bigger and bigger. >> think of it like. >> as. >> a. >> floating research. >> park. >> chris. >> kind of. >> like. >> you know. >> around universities. >> or business parks. and there will be more. private space. stations that will soon be orbiting the earth. >> all offering these types of services. >> it's really an exciting time. >> it's so cool. tom costello, thank you for that. well, from texas, as far as north as maine, 124 million people are under heat alerts today. take a look at what the heat did to pavement in milwaukee. our local affiliate, wtmj reports that those buckled roads blocked traffic on the interstate and forced two lanes to close and an

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